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But first up, Dr. Daniel RONI is a chiropractor of functional medicine specialist, and at the Center for New Medicine in Irvine. He has an undergraduate degree in biology and sports medicine. Upon completion of his chiropractic degree, he began to pursue courses in a new field called functional medicine, that experience changed his life, he learned how to heal a person at the cellular level from the inside out, and he's taken those experiences to expand into many different areas of alternative medicine, and we welcome him to the mother's market Podcast, Dr. Ronnie, how are you? No, I'm doing well. Yeah, that was great, that was a great intro to get you... Why don't you fill our audience in a little bit on your mission and your work before we get to today's show topic... Yeah, yeah. I basically got into alternative health care, I worked in hospitals in the 90s doing rehab. And what you saw was a lot of the sick care and that experience kinda opened my eyes to how segmentation, I think we were becoming or we were even at the time. And so I made a decision that I wanted to be on the other end of the spectrum. I wanted to try to do the preventative care, I felt we were doing a good job with soccer, but I didn't know personally anyway, and I think we were doing a good enough job of the preventative care, and you learn the prevention is always easier than the cure, right, frankly, so that experience was a big deal, it helped solidify my, I guess, my constitution in the preventative side, later in that in the 90s, my father passed away from lung cancer, and we had a conversation where he basically said he regretted not taking better care of himself, and he's 53 face on mortality, strong guy, a Vietnam vet, one of those tough guys, and he just had that regret and the pain that he had was, I think worse than anything I've seen, so that even made it, I guess, more of a conviction that... Okay, this is the right way to go. I was early in my chiropractic career as far as schooling, so I didn't have the means to help him, I didn't know enough, I didn't know I have enough resources. And so I guess those two experiences really led me down that path of, Okay, this is what we need to do, we did have more preventative, we have plenty of sick care, but we're doing it, we're doing a good job with that, but we just needed more preventative care and that just solidified. You know the Constitution and the mission. Well, I'm sorry about your father. And he was so young. You said, I know.

No, I appreciate that. Yeah, so I can see your passion and today we're talking about gut health and so Dr. Roney, how do I know if I have poor? unhealthy.

Great question. Okay, so a lot of times, we'll have a patient fill out intake forms, and the intake forms are geared towards breaking the digestive system down into the stomach, the small intestine, the large intestine, so keeping it simple, if we start in the stomach, if we have reflux, if we get bloating if we have irritability consistently, if we have diarrhea, constipation, etcetera, we know kind of right away that there's something going on now, those things happen once in a while, we eat something didn't agree with us, we get that, but these are more of the consistent symptoms that we're looking for.

So if we're dealing with some of those, we know there's something going on that at least warrants further looking at... Oh, that's good. And so what issues do you see with the gut then... What stands out?

Yeah, so was starting again with the stomach, we'll see reflux, so a gird as reflux disease, gastrointestinal reflux disease, heart burn is the common name for it, so we'll see that, we'll see, again, bloating irritability as symptoms, but then we could see a problem with what they call the microbiome where the bacteria levels, the good and bad are in poor ratio, we could see something called leaky gut, which is a synonym is intestinal permeability. We could see infections in the gut, so it's pretty broad as far as what we could see, but those are some of the things that we see consistently, and at this point, do you offer blood test or... What's that next leg?

Great question. So what we'll do is, depending on the area of involvement, I say it's the stomach... Well, one of the most common reasons for reflux is a bacterial infection called H-Pylori, so we'll do an H-Pylori test if we see reflux now, it could come back negative, but they're still having this problem, it could be an issue with digestive enzymes, it could be an issue with the hydrochloric acid levels either being too high or too low, so we might problem-solve initially, conservatively, if we're not getting anywhere with that, we may order an endoscopy, which is basically an upper GI study where they put a camera down and they go in and look to see what's going on.

So we try to handle it conservatively based on what the research says are the most common issues, and then getting into the stomach, if we have infections or we think there might be infections going on, we could do stool testing, and the stool testing is going to look for things like parasites and worms, Candida, fungal infections, etcetera, some of these more common issues, we see faces being made, right, you can't see it here when you're the radio here, but yeah, it's like, Oh, the reality is we're eating out more and more these days, and because of the way the food is handled, or We really don't know quite frankly how it's handled, we're seeing more and more of these infections now, I will say, If our health overall is strong and good and our immune system is strong, we... And our digestive system is strong, we have a good chance of just getting rid of those, they become self-limiting, but when we start to have gut compromise, then those infections become more prevalent in a person... And this leads me to my next question. So how can that poor gut health effect are overall... Yeah, okay, so one of the things that I'll start to happen is we're going to get inflammation in the body, right, so if our gut health breaks down and think about this, the digestive system is one of the barrier systems in our body, it's designed to protect us from our external environment.

So when we're hypothetically eating, we could be ingesting pathogens, we could be just ingesting toxins, proteins that aren't really good for us, that don't get broken down, well, lipophilic rides, and then you talk about chemicals and additives and preservatives and alcohol and things like that, those things get into our system, and if our gut barrier is starting to break down, which is this leaky gut that will probably get into here, things are going to absorb through the gut wall that aren't supposed to, and when they get into the bloodstream, they are far into the human body and the immune system has to... Has to react to those because those cells go around like Pac-Man and they're looking for foreign invaders, exactly. And if they don't recognize and it's not self-tissue, they're going to start attacking it, so we can get copious amounts of inflammation in the body as a result of things that if our gut barriers breaking down, and then the gut itself is also known as the second brain, so things like your neurotransmitters, for example, are synthesized, a lot of them are synthesized than the gut, these are dopamine, Torino feel good neurotransmitters. We also get conversion of a thyroid hormone from T4 to T3, and about 60% of that conversion happens in the gut, so we can have thyroid issues, we could have brain issues, we can have inflammation, so those are just some... The other things that will happen is as we eat foods, we're breaking them down, if we're not breaking them down properly in the stomach and passing them into the simpler forms, into the small test, and we might not be absorbing nutrients properly, so those nutrients should absorb through the intestinal wall, and then at the cellular level, they should assimilate into the cell to be used as energy, but a lot of times if we have got compromised, that's not gonna happen, and we're gonna have malabsorption that can take place.

So there's a number of things. We hit on a few of them. But that's the general gist of it. And so you've been talking about leaky gut, what is what you get, 'cause the sound of it is discussed that it is right. So synonym for that is something called intestinal permeability, so basically, in my small intestine, it's a tube, it's a long hollow tube, and the lining of that is designed microscopically to have what they call Type junctions, they're very... I say the cells line up very tightly together, what should happen is our glucose are fats and our amino acids, proteins broken down in amino acids should absorb through there, they're small molecules that are able to absorb through there, however, when we have... If it's inflammation or infections or things like that going on, those tight junctions start to widen, and when they widen because of those causes, we're going to allow other things they get through there, like the pathogens, the toxins and things like that, so that's a very real... That used to be theory, but that's a very real problem, and we see it consistently with our chronic patients, with most patients, I would say, to some degree, have this leaky gut and there's variables to it, it could be wide open or it could be still tight, but certain things are getting through there, does age have anything to do with that too, the older we get, we have a more...

I have an opinion on that. I think Ag is related to the number of issues we have, right. So what I mean by that is, I personally believe the age thing is overrated, I believe that as we get older, we start to break down more and more, usually because of either the positive things we fail to do or the negative things we do to the body, and then we get this breakdown, say in the gut, and then as we age, then we have more inflammation, we have more issues, and then that creates the degenerative process or more leaky gut, if you will, but I personally believe that whether you're 60 or 20, if you do the right things. I think your gut health could be good, your inflammation can be low, your degeneration in the body could be low, etcetera... Is that answer A? And thank you.

Yeah, it's true, it's really how we're living our lives... Exactly, right. Age is really just a matter of... I personally believe we see problems as people age because I feel that's because they've had it and have these things longer, and their body just can't adapt anymore, and so we start to see symptoms as a result.

Okay, that makes sense.

So you mentioned a little bit earlier, the gut brain connection, what... Can you talk further about that?

Yeah, for sure. So again, one of the things that happens with the gut... Okay, just as an example, is the inflammatory process, so when we start to get these high, and when I say in inflammation, there are reactions when we attack something, so say there's a toxin that has leaked through the gut into the bloodstream, my immune system or my Pac Man, go along. And they go, Oh, I don't like that. So what attacks it? the by-product of that attack is going to be something called inflammatory cytokines, prostaglandins, they call them not to get too technical, but let's call them inflammatory reactants, right. And they circulate around in the body, now there's another barrier system in our body called the blood-brain barrier.

Okay, and it basically gets compromised in a very similar fashion that the gut gets compromised, the junction start to widen, and those inflammatory agents, if you will, start to get through the blood-brain barrier, and now they're going to affect our brain, so inflammation is the number one detriment to the brain, they call it Microglia activation, where we have these cells in our brain that are supposed to protect us, but when they're stimulated because of this inflammatory response, they actually start to turn against us, and we get what they call Microglia priming. So when that happens, it's what I put it, it's precursors, if it's there long enough to things like dementia and Alzheimer's and things like that, but then when you go back and you look at the synth synth-Itza of neurotransmitters from the gut like Serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, we start to lose or decrease those when we have compromised gut, so now those things that those neurotransmitters that help us with motivation and looking at the world with this, Oh, I've got this type of feeling, we start to get a decreased... The amount of those... And then the brain just starts to... We lose motivation, we can have brain fog, we could start to have problems with word recall, etcetera, those are signs that there's probably an inflammatory or micro-gleaming going on in the brain, and that can be directly related to the gut and the inflammation that's created, plus the lack of nutrients too.

So the brain needs glucose and needs oxygen when we... When that gut is not working well, a lot of those things along with vitamins and minerals that are needed start to get deficient and can affect the brain as well.

But is it reversible?

That's real.

Yeah, good question. So I tell patients that most of the time now we have to do some neurological testing and we may even go in and look at mris and things like that, depending on the level of what they're presenting with, but I personally... In my experience, in 15 years of doing this, I think it's more of the sun is there. There's a lot of clouds that are in the way of the sun, so if we take away those clouds or causes and regulate this body better, the clouds can disperse and then the raise go right.

And then the brain, that's exactly right, and the brain starts to work better now, I will say this as well, the research is really clear, and they're doing more every day on the neurons in the brain that they still feel like You can't regenerate a brain norm, however... There is a process called neuroplasticity where those neurons, even though there's a degenerative neuron, say, the neurons can develop new pathways around the degenerative nor the problem, if we back up and we think, Okay, there's all these causes in place that won't happen because it's gonna degenerate more than new synapses can be formed. Does that make sense?

So if we go a couple of steps back, which in this alternative world is always the key, you're not looking at the brain necessarily, that's the outcome, we're looking at the causes, so if we can go four or five steps back and start getting inflammation regulated and the causes of inflammation, we start getting gut health better, we start cleaning up some of these areas, now we give the brain the best environment that's conducive to healing, and it's conducive to that nor what they call neuroplasticity, where the nerves or neuro generation that the nerves are just gonna start having new synapses that bypass the degenerative, the key is not letting it get too far, it's like having clogged freeway and then finding a new free way that's with... That's exactly right. That's a great... I'm gonna use that, that's great. I got that a, it's good. Yeah, sometimes I get lost in the heavy duty stuff, but that's a great announced. That's exactly what happens. So our bodies have the ability to do that, but it needs an environment that's conducive to allowing that to happen, and that's the going backward, finding the root, that's exactly a tithe many... There could be, yeah, but the gut... I just feel like when I work with a patient, I'm looking for two to three things right off the bat, they're gut health, and if there's inflammation in their body, because in my opinion, inflammation is pretty much the root of all disease and the degenerative process, the gut is one of the main foundations... Right. To that inflammation and or to just general health overall, so if we can just from a food standpoint, clean up the foods, get the gut regulated, make sure there's no infections, make sure the leaky gut and all these things can be tested to... And then work on it and then re-test know that that gut is working well, the inflammation down, the foods are going in those two things right there, you have a good foundation for moving forward and creating a... Maximizing the upside.

So this is great information, and we're gonna have to take a quick break, so we'll be right back and stay with us, Dr. Ron, welcome back to the mother's market podcast. And we wanna remind you that if you missed any portion of today's show, you can find us on iTunes by searching mother's market or download the show from our website, mother's market dot com, click the link for podcast and listen to past shows, plus download our Healthy Recipes and money savings coupons, all available at mother's market dot com. And now, back to our interview with Dr. Roney, and we've been talking about but health, it's been so interesting, and so Dr. Ronnie, What... Are there tests that can identify all of these... Yeah, yeah, definitely. Starting with the stomach, something like H. Pylori, that's a test. It could either be a stool test, the top two or stool testing or a breath test, so a lot of times when there's age pylori bacteria, he's gonna feed and then it's gonna create gases and one of them's zuria, and so there's a breath test that can be done at the lab, a lab core request or something like that, that test for that component, and if it's there, it typically indicates a positive finding that stool test can also identify that as well, looking at testing for the gut in general, one of the things that we do a lot is send out for stool testing and it's a little bit... A little gross, but they have to collect to... They put it in a vial, they send it to the lab, and the lab will test for the one that we use over 100 different things, so it goes from parasites to worms, to viral infections, to bacterial infections, they'll test the microbiome to see it, the levels of bacteria are in the ratios, they should be, they call it opportunistic bacteria, which are normally there, but they'll get higher if their guts compromised, so it's all a check and balance system in the gut of the bacteria levels, the good bacteria are good, then it's gonna keep everything else under wrap, Candida is another one we see often candid and fungal infections, so we can test that with the stool, OG, we could test for food sensitivities.

So one of the labs that we do... Well, what they'll do is they'll test both cooked and raw foods, so a lot of the testing that's done is just raw foods, now, when we raw foods and the enzymes in the food can break down that food rather easily, but when we cook it... We cook out the enzymes, so a raw food will have a different effect on the body a lot of times than a cook food, meaning the cook will be worse, and I'll give you an example, raw eggs about... According to the one lab we use, which is one of the tops in the country, about 6% are affected or sensitive to raw eggs, about 50-some percent plus or minus are sensitive to cook eggs inter, 'cause the protein changes when it's cooked and proteins are usually when we're talking food sensitivities, proteins are usually the problem, and not to get too into this, but say gluten, we hear that gluten-free and things like that.

Here's the thing with gluten, and I always say this because people like, is this a fad? Gluten, the way it's farmed, the way wheat is farmed these days, it's hybridized, it's genetically modified, and they do that to protect it from weather and make it last longer and do all these things to it. Right.

The problem is, once it is processed and it's delivered in the food form, it's now different than it ever was, So studies have shown that there could be up to 28 new proteins that are delivered in that modification process or hybridization process. Well, the human body doesn't have time to adapt, so we don't have the right enzymes to break down that gluten or trans-glutamine molecule, so it becomes a undigested protein and that's the problem. So when we start talking food sensitivities, if a protein get getting broken down into single amino acid form, it is very non-insulting to the human body, but when it is not broken down and it's an amino acid clump, and that's what happens with the new gluten. If you will, our immune system, we'll look at that and it doesn't recognize it, so it's going to attack it, so it's a high inflammatory protein... Dairy is another one. The same idea. So back in the day, we used to... I might be getting off topic, but it's a... It's helpline resting. Yeah, thank you.

Back in the day, we used, when we farmed the cow's milk, free roaming free range everything, milk delivered raw milk, raw milk has live enzymes in it, so the casing protein that's in milk is already difficult for a human body to digest because it's just a different species it has a different biochemical make-up, etcetera, but when we pastore it, we heat it up to a degree where we took out a lot of the live enzymes, so now our body has to deal with that protein without the live enzymes helping it break down, and that becomes a problem.

So wheat and dairy are two of those proteins that when we ingest them, they're not broken down into that single amino acid form because of those two or three reasons, and then it becomes insulting to the digestive system from an inflammatory standpoint, so hopefully that... But those are why food sensitivities, testing raw and cooked are a big deal because it gets changed, so that's one that we'll do often as well, and that's fascinating actually led to my next question about how concerned should we be about food sensitivities and what you just brought up a really good point, just because of how in this day and age, look how things are so different in the way the cow and the pastoring and everything, so... Exactly, yeah.

So what I typically do for a lot of patients, without getting too deep, I'll have just a general plan for them, meaning we're gonna start less conservative, and what I do is I'll put them on this plan of if you can't pick it or chase it, so think of that, if I'm on a deserted island, what could I eat? I can hunt something down and kill it and eat it, or I can walk around and just pick berries and fruits and vegetables, if I had to, I could avocados, etcetera, things that are there in its most natural form, most of the time... Most of those are going to be pretty good for your body, and we'll take away the big things like the glutes, the grains, the says the dairies, and what we would call un-fermented soy, and those are the most insulting to the body.

So I may start somebody there and then see how they do, because as we may talk about this more, I may put them on a four hours program, and the four hours program is I'm going to remove offensive foods that are researched for most people to be a problem, and we just talked about them, right. I'm going to look for infections in their digestive system and see if I can get rid of those, or if they have them, then work to get rid of those, and then I'm gonna replace... So we're gonna get digestive enzymes for them and maybe a little hydrochloride if we feel they need it, but the enzymes are designed because of the cooked foods that we eat, it cooks the enzymes out, so I always use the example... If I cut an apple in half and just left it there versus cooking an apple, the cooked apples are just gonna stay there, it's gonna last a very long time, but the raw apple is gonna oxidize because the live enzymes there create a chemical reaction with the oxygen and it's going to basically bio-degrade, so if we're eating a lot of cooked foods, which we do, it's a good idea to take digestive enzymes to help break down the proteins, the carbs and the fats, because as they get broken down in the stomach, getting him into the small intestine in their most simplest form is the most, or I should say, let me back up, the least insulting to that guy that balances... That's exactly right, that's exactly right. And then we'll get into renovating, we'll get into pre and probiotics... Right, and a prebiotic, a lot of people ask, it's just really a little bit of food for the probiotic, so the probiotic needs a little something to work, right, so we're gonna get that microbiome better, and then the fourth stage of this is to help repair that leaky gut, but here's the critical mass here, we can't repair the leaky gut if there's infections and inflammation already present, so it becomes a Band-Aid, which... That's what I see a lot.

Oh, I'm doing that, I'm taking this. Yeah, but you have these infections and you have this overriding inflammatory response, which created the leak you got in the first place, right, so unless we... Again, it's all about, Okay, that's a by-product. We have to get back here and fix some of the front end, and then we'll have a better chance of healing a... Letts a little deeper understanding of this whole thing in like a step-by-step format, but that gives you a good idea of From Gut to small intestine of what we try to do from our standpoint, that's interesting, that's good to know, and a little easy to kind of ease. Replace, Renault, repair.

So the four Rs.

Alright, thank you.

Yeah, let's talk a little bit about stress and how can stress affect the gut health... Very good one.

Okay, so stress in general, as it relates to the gut, but overall, it's really one of the biggest problems because there's an umbrella there, right.

The umbrella is chemical, physical and emotional.

So when we start to get stressed and we get over-ridden by stress, we're going to turn on our sympathetic nervous system, okay, so there's two main nervous systems of the autonomic nervous system, one is called your fight or flight, the others called your rest and digest, your gut is under rest and digest, but when you're stressed, we increase our sympathetic response, which is your fight or flight, which turns on a Cortisol increases. We get a lot of biochemical changes that happen, but one of the things that happens, it affects our stomach greatly because it increases the acid production, so it predisposes us to peptic gules or Diwan or things like that, that's one of the aspects of stress.

However, the stress response also increases the immune response, okay, so it dis-regulates our immune system, so one of the things it does is it increases those prostaglandins and cytokines, we talked about those inflammatory agents, but it also increases our T-suppressor cells, which are... Think about this, the T-suppressor sell. We don't want an increase because that's a... It's a check and balance of the immune system that if it gets over worked, it'll start calming it down a little bit, but if we increase our T-suppressor cells, that won't happen and our immune system starts to get lower or weaker and weaker and weaker, and we see that in the gut too, there's a test we do called secretory IGA, and that secretory IGA is basically how has your immune function in your gut, and when we see this chronic it going on, we'll see low levels of the secretory IGA in the gut, and it's a by-product, I'm fighting the fight. It's like a boxer in the 15th round, it just doesn't have anything left, so that immune capability, even in the gut starts to decrease as well.

What about... Can you talk a little bit about that secretory? IGA... How do you administer in that test? Yeah, so that's... In our stool test, that's one of the things that they test for, they wanna see some of these immune reactivity in the cellular environment and what's going on in there, we can almost predict that if somebody's been chronic with their gut health, that that's going to be low and then again, it's one of those things if the gut is our barrier system, right, it protects us, it's no longer protecting us, so backing up, we're constantly exposed to these pathogens, we just are with again, with eating out and just generally what we breathe in, etcetera, and what should happen is everything should stay in a closed tube, it should get to the liver, the liver should go through what they call bio-transformation and get it from a form that's not really soluble into soluble form, so it can be waste out out.

Right, and so it stays in this closed system, but when we're compromised and we have leaky gut and we have some of these other things going on, our immune system just doesn't have the fight, so these things become more... They have an opportunity because of the environment. To faster, the best way I could put it.

So again, if we know secretory IGA is an immune component and we looked at that and we it low, it's not necessarily to win anything directly for that, we wanna get all these other things that we're talking about better, plus give things to regulate the immune system. That's a big deal as an early step in the process, so one of the first steps that I typically do, I'll get patients on immune regulating or immune-boosting supplements.

That's a really good point because... And it kind of also leads into my next question, so many people live in a crisis mode where we have so much going on, so you just mentioned that immune supplement. Yeah, but what other strategy should people be taking to get... Good, healthy.

Yeah, good. And well, let's talk about the stress, because the number one litigator is going to be exercise, so if you think of the fight or flight response, right? So say, we're fighting a lion, we get this chemistry that allows us kind of super human strength now, that's a high level of the spider flight, a high example, if you will, so I either am going to fight like heck or run like heck, if I live right. Say an hour later, I went through this energy expenditure, which means I burned off a lot of that stress response, the chemistry, so now I'm back to rest and digest, I'm back to the parasympathetic equilibrium. So it was a good thing, but if it's chronic and the stress is chronic and all these different reactions are taking place in our body, we have to have something to mitigate that response, the number one way is what we'll call high intensity short-burst exercise.

So as an example, I get on a treadmill and I warm up and I may spring. That's personally what I do, I'll sprint at level 12 for a minute, and then I'll jog for 30 seconds for about six... At about 60 or 30 seconds, so I'm still... My heart rate still up, but I'm taking a little breathing and then I'll sprint again and jog and Sprint and Jack, and I do that for 10 minutes, so the research clearly shows high-intensity exercise, about seven to 10 minutes can mimic the fight or flight response and burn off a lot of that chemistry, now it has a ton of other great advantages as well, it's anti-inflammatory, it helps the adrenal glands, etcetera, but as it relates to this, it's very, very good to mitigate that stress response and burn off a lot of that chemistry it's the number one way.

Now, there's other things, obviously, if we eat right, that's gonna help as well, and then identifying... Because if we're talking, I'll back up, if we're talking about chemical, physical and emotional stressors, we kinda have to break those down, so chemical stress, if you will, chemical stress, eating better is gonna take away a lot in organic... If we have skin, whatever has a skin that We're gonna consume from a fruit and vegetable, that's the priority because we wanna get rid of those herbicides, fungicides and chemicals and so forth that are on there, and that will help reduce the chemical response. We could also put better lotions and creams and things like that, that aren't getting through our pores. There's a lot of strategies there. Right.

So you have that chemical physical, I tell people, do your meditations do... As a chiropractor, I always tell people, chiropractic care, massage therapy, working out, meditation, etcetera, are gonna help extremely well, and then the emotional part, if we can identify, and sometimes we know what's going on stress-wise, but we really can't change it, so that's when you just have to know, Okay, I can't change it, I have to adapt to it. And that's what all these strategies are about, but again, emotionally seeing somebody and talking about some of the issues, sometimes just communication is a big deal.

Community groups, finding other people that are going through similar things. They're strengthen those numbers, and the research proves it, like it's a meditation prayer, etcetera, so you can go through chemical, physical and emotional stressors and have ways that you can mitigate it as much as possible that will lessen your chances of having a gut issue or a chronic disease in general, overall.

That's great, great information on this, especially that meditation part and people just getting it out there and talking to people... Yeah, you have to take time for yourself these days because the insults are overwhelming, they come from everywhere, they really do. And you think, Oh my gosh, this is so much to do.

But you kinda chunk it down, and we try to help the patients when they come in, understand where they are and... Try to help them implement these strategies. And I use this analogy where if you think of a pizza pie has usually they have eight slices, some... You could cut it in the four slices, what have you... Some people need four slices, meaning they need to do exercise, stress, mediation somehow, take supplements, use Cairo care, use massage therapy, whatever, some need to do eight things, some may even need to do 12, so what we try to do is look at where they are. Try to examine them as to the... The research known causes two problems, evaluate them as it relates to them. Do they have these gut issues that they have, liver, did they have infections that they have... Not that everybody does, but if they do, then we go and just address each one step by step with them, and it's a nice formula that we just start checking things off the box and it allows their health to expand and give that body a chance, and this is one of the critical things that I talk to people about, the body is a really good self-healing organism, it really is. I don't think we give it enough credit, but it is as long as we take away a lot of the causes, we can create a system where the cellular environment is healing faster and that it's breaking down, and that in general is anti-aging.

That's anti-aging.

I use this example. There's a quarterback in the NFL, I don't know if the listeners will know anything about this, but his name is Tom Brady, he's 42 years old, right, and he's literally just playing as well as he's ever played at, the formula that he implements is all of this right so at the end of the day, he eats really, really clean, his workouts are really, really good, he takes the right supplements, he takes that time, applies it to his body, and what's happening is he's playing like a 25-year-old because the formulas allowing his body to repair and recover very, very quickly. And it's slowing his degenerative process, and a big part of that is what he's doing for his guy, it's got health because of what goes in it, so... Yeah, while we're all tired of seeing him when the NFL... Absolutely true.

So that's not the note anastasius me, I'm just tired of seeing the guy I know, I respect the heck out of you now, and I love that you brought that up because we're like, Why doesn't you go away? But that's the reason why.

That's exactly right.

We all need to live like Tom Brady, so if I have some of these issues, how long would it take to heal my good.

Yeah, well, I know people don't like to hear this, but it's very individualized, so it depends on how much is going on and where they are with their overall health as well, but if people just generally get rid of the bad stuff that goes in, that's gonna be helpful, you take some of those things with the four Rs program.

A lot of people can do well with those strategies, getting some exercise in and so forth, because one of the things that happens to with exercise is I say I eat poorly, I'm gonna burn that up fairly quickly and it doesn't have a chance to kinda do the damage that somebody that sat and Taryn eating poorly will do... Right, so the exercise does... That's not an excuse, the poorly... I wanna make that clear, but it does help the process, so if we do good and take some things that help with the four hours program, digestive enzymes, good probiotics, the repair part of it, do the exercise a lot of times. That's gonna help tremendously.

Now again, if people are doing that and they're not getting anywhere, that's when we have to go in and start doing testing and really, really detective-ly, go in and try to figure out what else could be going on, and that's where they might need a clinician to really guide them through that process 'cause it does get... I explained a lot so far, it can get complex, but it just depends on what the patient brings us, but I will tell you something like leaky gut, extremely, he got an infection like Candida and things like that. They can be difficult to overcome, it may take months and months and months to heal that, but the good thing is with patients, we initially find it, we put them on treatment protocols that have been proven to work, and then we can re-test it, so that's the beautiful thing, we don't stop until... I don't personally don't stop until that thing comes back clean, and now I know their gut is working really, really well, but again, we can go right back into that problem, if some of the inflammation is not regulated and they're not changing their eating habits, and they're not exercising and they're not doing some of these things that are gonna keep that gut clean... It can go right back.

So I see patients that said, Well, I've done that and I've done this, and I think looking at their big picture, they've kinda tried to band-aid things and no fault to them because they're trying to do things, they're trying to help themselves, but it's the totality of it, that really helps. And I know that stinks because that's a lot of effort by the person, but if they wanna get to that out of the other side, sometimes it's gonna take quite a bit of time, but for a lot, you know, it could be fairly easy to just either prevent or restore, it's the chronic people that we see, so unfortunately at the clinic, we see some of the people that have been to a lot of places and they've been suffering for quite some time and just not getting the results, so those are the patients that are... It's gonna take a little more time. That's probably a long-winded, but... No, I mean, but yeah, you have to be specific there, and this has been great information. I just wanna say in that wrap-up and closing, can you go over the four Rs or... Yeah, for sure. So the first Star is removed and that has two... Had two sub-headings, we wanna remove the foods that are most insulting and we wanna remove infections if present, and then we wanna replace in the stomach, good digestive enzyme, sometimes hydrochloric acid to make sure the foods can be broken down properly. The third is Renault, we wanna get the good microbiome via the good probiotics, the good bacteria get those strengthened so they can start... Keep doing their job, they're like the army in there, and then the fourth one is to repair the mucosal lining from that leaky gut.

Okay, perfect, so interesting. And some great advice. We really appreciate your knowledge, we look forward to having you on again, but in the meantime, you can also get more information on Dr. Roney, the website is Center for new medicine dot com, and you look forward to your next visit.

Yeah, thank you.

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