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Hello, I'm Kimberly King, and welcome to the mother's market podcast, a show dedicated to the Truth, Beauty and Goodness of the human condition. On today's show, it's the cold and flu season, and taking care of your immune system is even more important these days, so listen close and learn how your auto-immune system can be stronger even while battling cancer. But first up, Dr. Virginia Von Shafer is a retired vascular surgeon at the center for new medicine and Irvine, and she now provides bio-integrative consultations to patients of all ages in a variety of clinical settings.

She joins the staff at Cancer Center for Healing in an effort to bring a broad range of patient care, experience and knowledge to this progressive community of caregivers. Her passion is utilizing the basic principles of cell biology biochemistry to solve medical problems, and her focus is to evaluate and treat the whole person, taking into account the mind, body and spirit connection to restore biochemical balance. And we welcome you to the mother's market Podcast, Dr. Von Shafer, how are you?

I'm very good, I just have to know. How are you today?

Great, thank you.

Happy to be here. Why don't you fill our audience in a little bit on your mission and your work before we get to today's show topic.

Well, I was a college drop out in kind of a late bloomer, and I came to studying medicine after a personal illness, my first pregnancy was a tumor, and I had never really been around physicians or what positions do prior to that time, and at that point in time... Women were pretty much expected to get married, stay home, be a teacher, be accountant, a librarian, something like that, at least in my family. That was the way it went. So when I became exposed to this profession and the profound way that one can interact with other people in their lives, I thought, that's it, so I quit my job as a buyer in New York and I went back to school and studied biochemistry and cell biology.

Wow.

So it was quite a turning point for me, and I really had a wonderful undergraduate experience at Columbia undergraduate, and then I went to Columbia Medical School afterwards was fascinating. And again, it often takes a personal experience and to get to the passion here, so today we're talking about relationship, that relationship between autoimmune disorders and cancer, and what is auto-immune disorder? And why are there so many?

Well, that's a great question, and it's an interesting endeavor to try and answer when I was first studying these types of things in medical school, many, many years ago, there were only one or two or a handful of autoimmune disorders... What does autoimmune mean? It means that your immune system somehow doesn't recognize certain cells in your body that are you, and they inadvertently attack them and try to destroy them. And when I first encountered this, I thought, this is a very odd thing. And now that I've come to study these things a little bit more, I realized that it's unnatural, but it comes to be because there is a lot of pollution and curtius infections that are in our bodies, and they can affect the transcription of our DNA in a negative way and create surface markers that confuse our immune system and... Okay, thank you.

Yeah, so the most common one is diabetes, and then there's the arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, Hashimoto's, thyroiditis, there are many... Now, I think there's 93 some categories.

Wow, it's crazy.

What is, is there a connection between autoimmune disorders and cancer, it sounds like... Well, I think there is, because there is an underlying metabolic set of problems that predisposes our bodies to many disorders, and they have to do with the infections, Bacteria, virus, parasite, fungus and Canada, and there's a work of auto Warburg, who was a Nobel Prize when he biochemist in the late 1800, 1900, and he discovered that all sick cells make energy and aerobic ly and it's those infected cells, but it's also cancer.

So when you have a biochemical situation of anaerobic metabolism and you can... Certain cells, especially viruses, can release something called Nagle, and it will cut them and prevent them from being seen by the immune system and also negatively affect the macrophage is a key component in your immune system that's supposed to recognize and kill abnormal cells, so there's a really... Powerful connection between these serrations infections and cancer, and there's also a power for connection between those infections and autoimmune disorders. It goes both ways. So, are there auto-immune disorders that have known precursors to certain types of cancers?

Well, I'm seeing a very big connection between some entity called her to new positive breast cancer, breast cancer, as you know, is the highest incidence in the nation and Orange County, and it has to do with the hydrocarbon pollution in the water table, from the spraying of the orange groves.

So all those non-biodegradable chemicals are being absorbed by all these people, and there's a very, very high incidence of breast cancer, and there is a very high incidence of her to new positive breast cancer.

Now, most of the patients that I've treated that have heard to new positive breast cancer have Hashimoto's thyroiditis or some other autoimmune disorder, so there's this whole identification or recognition system that's supposed to help us in terms of removing things that don't belong in our bodies, go as a, right, when we have chemical pollution and electromagnetic frequencies that disturb our transduction and replication of our sales, all those things. And so it seems that with the increasing amount of pollution and toxicity in the environment, that these types of disorders that 30 years ago were relatively rare, are now very, very common.

That is fascinating, and that was kind of leading me to my next question about the environmental factors that are at... Just mind-boggling.

I remember when I first moved here from New York City, I was still a practicing surgeon, and I didn't have patients of my own, so I would help other surgeons on their cases, and of course, mastectomy or remove the breast for cancer was constantly being done and you need a lot of hands to hold the retractor and things, so I would scrub on other people's cases, and I saw things I've never seen before, I saw a woman who was around 25 years old, had inflammatory breast cancer, which is traditionally very rare now, pretty common. And I remember standing in the Mission Hospital and saying, There must be something in the water.

And I was kind of making a joke, but then many, many years later, when I had a spinal cord injury and I had to stop operating and I started doing all of this interesting metabolic work, I did some research and came to realize, yes, that is entirely the case. Wow, that... And its proof is right there as you've seen these increase, so can you talk about the role of underlying infections also that... That's the key thing that I'm discovering is that Epstein-Barr virus, the mono virus, is extremely important in essential problem.

We're looking now at people under the age of 21, maybe 40, 45% having chronic illness, and remember, everybody gets Moulin High School, and then they sort of... Some people get over it, some people never really get over it, and you know, I interviewed lots of patients say so, you know, I had mono, but you know, it's in the past, and I've been checking Viral titers on patients and it's a blood test, and I come to find many people still have active infection with Epstein-Barr or recurrent or relapsing infection, and they may even have other viruses that kinda go along with that, like cytomegalovirus. And again, I'm old.

Okay, in the days when we were first diagnosing HIV and we saw people with cytomegalovirus and thought, Okay, this is a virus that goes with an immune compromised host.

Okay, I'm seeing all kinds of people with CMB, regular people who don't even know they have a lot of viruses, but they may have some chronic issues, muscle pain, can be a simple thing, like hating white skin and fatigue, chronic between... All those things are related to this.

This is interesting because just on the side note, when you talked about the Epstein bar and mono, I'm hearing so much about it in colleges now in wiping out teams because it's so infectious and also... Well, it's airborne, got Epstein-Barr for probably the third time on the plane between lax and JFK.

Wow.

And I had severe chest pain, I had to go to the hospital. They thought I was having a heart attack and of course, they ruled that out, but they didn't think about mono, and I got home and a month later when I was dragging and could barely do anything... I went to my primary care doctor, I said, I went too old to have... Monash did a blood test. And she said, Oh, you had one of the worst cases I've ever seen.

Wow. Seriously, so they're still no cure for that necessarily... Noetherian, the number one problem in viruses is they always tell patients, it's kind of like a mushroom, they like moisture, low vibration, and kind of like... Darkness, they don't wanna be disturbed. They have to have low vibratory frequency to survive.

So one of the key things is to maintain a higher level of vibratory frequency in your body... How do you do that?

Well, I can tell you how you don't do it.

Okay, I mean, all that coffee we love, I think one cup of coffee a lowers your body frequency into the range the bacteria viruses can thrive in for two days, really...

Caine is kinda hard on the vibratory frequency situation.

Wow. So the simple thing is to keep that vibratory frequency up, and you can use essential oils, that's a time-honored way to do it, but you have to work at it because... And I know specifically too with the Mono, when I'm again, hearing and reading about is that these... It takes a long time to get over that.

So what are some of the most common infections, you talked about the mono, and then the Epstein Barr is a big one in terms of relationship to cancers, and I think that it needs to be emphasized to everyone that you need to have viral testing, you need to see what you still have in your body. I did research for a talk that I gave on the connection between auto-immune disorders and cancer, and I found an article that said that they had discovered that even the virus in its most latent arm, not active at all, can negatively affect the transcription of your DNA.

Now we have only about 6% of the DNA is transcribed on a routine basis for a production of ourselves, so they used to call it in... When I was in medical school, the junk DNA. Do they know what it was? Now, we know that it's the DNA that's controlled, that transcription is controlled by bacteria, viruses, fungus and parasites, and when you talk about all these problems with the gut, okay, that's because there's a very powerful gut brain immune system connection.

Wow.

So I think that everyone... And we know classically hockey, Homa is 100% related to Epstein-Barr virus. So all of my patients that have polity to identify that virus and then trade it, if we can... Why are these incidences at an all-time high?

I think the problem is that we kind of forgot to look at these things in my medical school education, this was part of the primary list, it's just that... Say, for example, parasites, 95% of people have recurrent breast cancer, have untreated parasites.

Okay, if you tell them like a person off the street, Oh, you gotta be worried about parasites saying, look at you like, I'm a clean person.

And in my medical school education, they always said, Well, you have to ask if they went to South East Asia recently. Okay, do you wanna have to go to Asia to get parasites? You don't have liver... Flukes are in the water. They could be in water and can... Goods.

Yeah, so to have something that's so ubiquitous and completely ignored is a profound health problem, and so just going back a little bit, is there a general kind of a blood test, what is it that is... When I evaluate patients, I don't care what they have or what they're complaining of, but I pretty much do a very extensive blood panel of checking their white count and there all those regular things, their liver functions and inflammation markers, and the viral panels, herpes virus one, and two, HPV isn't tested for a blood test, you have to do a swab either of the oral cavity or the rectum, but that's number one cause of oral cavity cancer right now, really HPV really?

And very high in rectal also.

Goodness. Do cancers have roots in infection... Well, yes, that's what I'm trying to say. I said, the cancer cells are really fascinating, scary, but fascinating.

There's a concept of what they call contact inhibition, okay. And that means that cells in an organ system are layered together and they have communication with each other in little sell-sell connections, and that's how you can have instantaneous communication in your body, among other things, a electrochemical connection.

So when a cancer, Boswell becomes a cancer cell, it starts dividing out of turn, almost like it was a stem cell or like the beginning of a human single for last egg and just multiplies in this beautifully coordinated manner to create a body... Well, this is not a coordinated manner, it just is a replication out of turn, and interestingly, those cells secrete something called Nagle, same thing that viruses release, that will cut them so that the immune system can't recognize them 'cause the immune system only works on surface markers and recognition, so if they can't see the surface, they don't identify it as something they should or should not Mark and kills, the negate is really key, and it's all part of the perpetuation of the growth of a cancer cell, and if viruses make it... They make it as well, so lots of people who have cancer may have a co-infection of a virus, commonly Epstein bar and there are neglected levels could be very high, is an individual... The growth of the cancer cell. How long that takes?

Well, interestingly, it takes about 10 years to make a Mr one animator in diameter, so this means that there's several years in the development of a cancer that may potentially be reversed the process after about year four or so, five, it's not reversible.

So that's why the biochemical environment as she is so key, and keeping the frequency up and keeping the body clean, keeping the house clean of all these infections, because that's what can predispose you to the cancer and likewise, if you can treat them... Maybe you can reverse the process and then invert it... And that was my next question. We have to take a quick break. It's great. And so, fascinating this information, don't away, we will be right back with Doctor Van chapter, stay with us at mother's market. We only wanna sell the best products available, this is why we carry organic, smart chicken organic Smart Chicken is free range, GMO-free and air chill organic smart chicken is the only chicken brand in the United States that is both certified organic and certified humane. And we think it's certify delicious. Smart Chicken is the highest grade of fresh poultry available at all mother's market locations, learn more and become a Smart Chicken fan on Facebook, www Facebook Smart Chicken.

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Well, there are a number of different ways to treat them, you know the time honored, I would say ancient way of treating parasites, say for example, is with herbs, even the American Indians, as a matter of fact, would treat their animals with tobacco tea once a month, everybody would be drinking tobacco where there was a horse or a person... That doesn't sound very good. How does it take actually taste...

Okay, I worked with an Indian medicine woman for a while, and it actually tastes very... It kinda looks like the color of whiskey doesn't taste like whiskey, but it's kind of sweet tasting... It's actually very good.

Really?

Okay, let's get to know, but so herbs and other things like that are very useful obviously, in the traditional medicine world, we use anti-parasite drugs, the abandon, abandon Al-Benson, these old drugs that we've had around forever, which for some reason have now increased in price exponentially. Like everything, right to... And they can be effective, but they do have a negative... Can have a negative effect on the liver function, so you have to be careful when you take those kinds of things, and you also have to be mindful of the fact that parasite life cycle is very long, and so the the eggs, their dormant, then they hatch, they hang out. They lay more eggs. Some bad die. They may not die. I have a truly remarkable case of a patient with pancreatic cancer, this is her third cancer, she had two different kinds of breast cancer, survived that then got pancreatic cancer. I successfully treated her with the pirate cancer, but she developed a liver abscess due to parasites and septic shock... Oh my gosh, she survived now, but we have many great photographs of foot-long bodies of things that were excreted, it's incredible, because what you're saying is that they attack the... Attach that to a tattoo and they can cause... When they detach, they can cause a preparation... Wow.

Oh my gosh, so when you... The key thing is just to take away, if you ever have a Catan or ultrasound of your liver and they say, Oh, there are some cysts, they are asymptomatic or not of any significance. That was somebody's house.

That was somebody's house.Parasite.

Oh, somebody else, I see what you're saying.

Those aren't cyst. Those are parasite... Well, they're sister created, started by... By a parasite. So if you see that, you have to go, I gotta get treated.

ASAP.

So I had asked you about, are these treatable? And that's amazing, fascinating that you just mentioned pancreatic cancer, because there's still no real cure for pancreatic cancer... Well, actually, my patient has no pancreatic cancer anymore, I treated her... That's gone.

Wow, that's amazing. I have many fun things that we use to treat cancer in tricking it, because you trick it.

Wow, the strong relationship between infections and cancer, we hope we can prevent by preemptively treating the infections and... Is that kind of what you're talking about? Absolutely, and that's why I say when I look at this increased incidence of chronic illness and young population and who gets money?

The kids in school, right?

And they used to say, even children in kindergarten, Pinos are on the window sills. Okay, it's everywhere, so we have to be conscious of that and constantly work to purify our bodies on a regular basis, and if you do get an infection like Epstein bar... I was always told, Oh, there's nothing you can do about it.

Yeah, well, yes, you can, you can work with herbs and they do help, but sometimes cases are very tenacious and will not respond. We have a special relationship with an immunology lab and Greece excused, if a case is serious, the person has cancer or the viral infection is not going away, it's disability, Ting, like people who have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue, they usually have Epstein bar in the background there, so if they can't get better any other way, then sometimes we'll have a special treatment main in the immunology lab where the sequence the messenger RNA of the viral entity, and then what they call an anti-sense molecule that perfectly matches and binds to that messenger RNA and takes it out of activity.

So when that happens, there's a natural signaling inside the cell for it to die, and that's kind of how they kill it... Wow.

And it's a treatment that really give a person an IV for half an hour and it works in their body for five months, so it's pretty cool.

Yeah, they... That lying dormant and the sounds for it to come back, one of the most common infections, so he talked about that Epstein bar.

What else, what other... Well, there's a lot of people with herpes vibes one and two, and of course then all these things are communicable, so of course, if you don't know you have it, then you can give it to somebody else. That's the other issue. I would say probably one of the most malicious ones openly is HPV... Yeah, talk about that a little bit, because V is the nits for most oral cavity cancer, whether it's tongue, tonsil, whatever, and it's also very, very high in the cause of rectal and colorectal cancers now, and the promoter seems to be a combination with HPV and glyphosate that round up that weed killer that kills the mean so well, but kills the people too. We're hearing a lot about that right now, so that's been excited. I think this week, someone released an article about the close relationship between HP being leachate and increased intents of rectal cancer and people under the age of 35.Wow.

Are there some treatments and modalities that we can use to combat these infections and the best way to test for them? Well, most of them, except HPV, has to be tested by a rectal swab or an oral swab, or if somebody... Obviously, if they have a cancer, we always ask that the tumor to should be tested for the virus as well, most of the other ones can be the viruses can be tested for in a blood panel. And that's very easy to do. The problem with the parasites is that many times people would do stool samples, but if you don't have it in there at the time, you're not gonna catch anything, as I said, it's kind of a long life cycle and it's sporadic in terms of shedding anything. So we use energy testing for that, how do you do energy testing?

Well, there's... All these entices have a unique vibratory frequency, and so that vibratory frequency can be picked up in a variety of ways, in our clinic, we have a machine on the F-Scan machine that will pick up the vibratory frequency of pretty much anything.

And identify if you have it or you don't have it, and then of course, conversely, one of the ways that you can treat these things is to identify the frequency and then zap the person with that frequency that gives it... So it's kind of cool that it can become a dinamo diagnosis, but treatment and they... Are you specifically talking about parasites with the parasites, but also viruses as well, the treatment modality or aspect of this machine is just starting to be applied towards parasites primarily, it's new, so the diagnosis part is very good, the treatment part, we're still kind of working on what about in the mainstream healthcare, do they look for parasites... Is that a man?

He tell you, I think... They don't believe they exist.

That's what I was in had the patient I referred to was in the ICU in septic shock, the husband had pictures of the parasites that from the toilet bowl, and they still didn't believe that she had parasites... Oh my gosh, wow.

It's kind of sadly shocking that somehow we stopped thinking about all the aspects of a reality of living in a body in a world that isn't so clean and are just thinking about drugs and procedures, we have to expand our thinking.

Yeah, and go back to the root cause for... Exactly.

No, it's really fascinating to hear about just how you're attacking them and going... You're talking about herbs. We're not supplements.

Well, supplements can mostly help, there are supplements designed specifically, one comes to mind that is very helpful for cleaning the gut of the negative effects of Lao phosphate... What is it? It's a product called restore.

We've kind of specialize in handling products like that that will help with GoHealth, and I think excuse, that's one of the key things to attend to my... A lot of people complain, Oh, I've got gut issues. Nobody does anything about them, but I got them, and I think people have diarrhea, they have to be cultured, maybe they have... Edifice is an organism that's often involved in diarrhea, ENT... We just have to be on the look out for these things. I can't just kind of ignore it.

Right, I think that's the number one thing.

Yeah, and I hear you saying too, not just giving a Band-Aid and then just giving them the more drugs we need to get to the real... What's underlying everything? What else can you tell me about this other auto-immune disorders? And that correlation, I think for me, the most difficult aspect of this is the increasing electromagnetic frequencies and radiation frequencies that our bodies are exposed to it yet, and see, and they don't let you have a cell phone to your...

18, that's great.

And you see all these little children playing with these games, in fact, I saw a girl who was 12 years old, she had some kind of arthritis, and she was sitting there waiting for her IV playing on a cell phone.

I said, I said I told them or today that over-hands, those are bad for you and people... I see people who get breast cancer because they stuck their cell phone and they're brand, they got her to a new positive breast cancer right there.

Mm-hmm.

Okay, we're electro-Chemical entities, and our bodies are this marvelous miracle, we're kind of like a mini universe with at a solar system, every organ system has a connective tissue covering... Well, most of them, not all, but many have connective tissue coverings, and connective tissue is collagen, and it's a polar molecule, so it's positive and negative positive net and it's in a neck, so that polarized net creates an electrical field to protect that organ.

Now, the organs that we see that are having the worst problems with auto-immune and cancer that's increased is thyroid, adrenals and pancreas, and when you're sitting at a computer desktop... What hits you?

Oh yeah, in the upper adour computer here.

Right on the Paris.

I think we have to be raised our awareness of the electrical nature of our bodies and the delicate nature of the communication system that we have, and that these EMF are disturbing, tubing our physiology. In a past interview, we understood the percentages between the environmental versus genetic... Can you speak to that? As far as we mind school, I think that there's far too much emphasis on the genomic component of the etiology of disease, in fact, I almost feel like we should stop focusing on minutia and start looking at the big picture... Yes, there are genetic mutations that occur, and of course, if you have cancer, everybody's all excited about finding out what mutations you have and what new drug they can make that's gonna attack that mutation and that receptor, and sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't work at all. But the bottom line is, how do we get all those things... Where did that come from? Why are there so many mistakes and DNA replication, or they call that those little snips, all those little variations, like when you get a genomic testing and you find out what you have, like the... The detoxification gene and methylation, if you have problems with that, then, oh, you've got a problem.

Well, yeah, okay, everybody's got a lot of problems, but what are we doing to help the body be as healthy as possible, and that involves cleaning up the environment, being very mindful of the radiation frequency that we expose ourselves to people... People have to turn their routers off at night, children are sleeping with their cell phones, this is not okay. I, I have a patient who has glioblastoma. Terrible tumor in the brain. What was job talking on the phone?

Examining cell towers, a hotshot. Oh goodness, it was right in the right. Write up Adam in the face, geest you with black and white, because you see it, you're needs to go down to this your level and then...

I'm on good with the genomic thing, it's fine, but don't tell me that that's the only problem that's on the horizon or the investment, it's not right, and it's very easy to focus on, Oh, another new test or a new study or this and that. When we're ignoring the environmental chaos that we've created... Yeah, I think that's a huge... That needs to become a national... On the global scale. Great information, interesting and a little depressing, but you delivered on and it makes us all stand up and really take control of what we're doing, we thank you so much for your time and some great advice, we really appreciate your knowledge, and we look forward to having you on again, but in the meantime, you can get more information on Dr. Von Shafer at the Cancer Center for Healing, dot com. We look forward to your next visit.

Thank you.

I do, I woo.

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